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Post by anonymous on Jun 23, 2018 19:32:23 GMT -8
About the 'Chiha' card being missing from Chihaya's match, I think it has something to do with Taichi distancing himself with her.
I've also reread chapter 184 and during Chihaya's match against Rion, she noticed that 'Chiha' card still missing and she thought of this:
"No 'Chiha' yet again... But. Taichi is here."
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Post by stilldoll on Jun 23, 2018 21:48:20 GMT -8
Hey, biribiri chan😊 i actually never left MAL, just didn't post that much, only reading your posts guys.))))) I lost my password-the thing that happens a lot to me and was to lazy to create new, haha😅
I noticed that you write that Chihaya compared herself with the waves- that is not really correct i think- she thought " i was a ROCk - with rock i crashed Taichi's feelings, always been crashing him" something along those lines. So the waves is Taichi's feelings for Chihaya.
I guess he still loves her and her losing that lamely is also in his way cos he cares for her and even takes his time to support her once again. I noticed that Taichi's face looked dissapointed in Chihaya's vision with that shadow over his eyes tgat means she actually cares about what he thinks about her. I don't know what actually spider lilies mean here, but maybe she think she lost Taichi forever? Cos i agree that this time those flowers and the whole scene showed through Chihaya's point of view. I don't know why and i also don't want to put my hopes up, but during those matches author showed that there is still connection between chihaichi while there is none between chiharata, but that could be her pinpong game again and chiharata saved for later. As i see it, romance should be properly solved soon, cos the story and character development really lose in a whole because of it.
Lol, back again and can't stop myself)))))
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Post by chiakimagoto on Jun 24, 2018 0:39:23 GMT -8
Yeah, Still doll chan, after the confession Chihaya thought about herself as the rock.
The spiderlilies in the Hanakotoba(language of Japanese flowers) symbolises loss, longing, abandonment, lost memories, never to meet again.They are associated with final goodbyes. A little link for some lecture:http://wordpress.tokyotimes.org/the-beauty-of-autumns-red-spider-lily-japans-flower-of-death/
No matter how you turn it.....it's not very optimistic. When i look at that panel, Chihaya surrounded with the spiderlilies and then Taichi's silhouette appearing in the side.....to me this can only mean that they will definitely seperate.....these 2 won't be together, even if love was there, not the same kind of love though, they aren't meant to walk the path of life together. And then poem18.....fruitless waiting for a lover to appear. Somehow i think Sensei is subtly telling us Taichi and Chihaya will not be together in the future. So now I actually think Taichi might win.....and go for the Meijin title. I guess Chihaya and Arata will be endgame. Brace your hearts my dears, cause i think Suetsugu san is going for the bittersweet ending. Heck, she is way too much fan of the Honey&Clover mangaka....this manga made me snotter at the end...nothing happened the way i wanted in to. I can't help but feel sad.... i know Taichi can't have everything in the end....looks like Suetsugu san made her choice.
I bet that Chiha card will pop up again in Chihaya's Queen match.....
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Post by Baka on Jun 24, 2018 1:10:31 GMT -8
Yeah, Still doll chan, after the confession Chihaya thought about herself as the rock. The spiderlilies in the Hanakotoba(language of Japanese flowers) symbolises loss, longing, abandonment, lost memories, never to meet again.They are associated with final goodbyes. A little link for some lecture:http://wordpress.tokyotimes.org/the-beauty-of-autumns-red-spider-lily-japans-flower-of-death/ No matter how you turn it.....it's not very optimistic. When i look at that panel, Chihaya surrounded with the spiderlilies and then Taichi's silhouette appearing in the side.....to me this can only mean that they will definitely seperate.....these 2 won't be together, even if love was there, not the same kind of love though, they aren't meant to walk the path of life together. And then poem18.....fruitless waiting for a lover to appear. Somehow i think Sensei is subtly telling us Taichi and Chihaya will not be together in the future. So now I actually think Taichi might win.....and go for the Meijin title. I guess Chihaya and Arata will be endgame. Brace your hearts my dears, cause i think Suetsugu san is going for the bittersweet ending. Heck, she is way too much fan of the Honey&Clover mangaka....this manga made me snotter at the end...nothing happened the way i wanted in to. I can't help but feel sad.... i know Taichi can't have everything in the end....looks like Suetsugu san made her choice. I bet that Chiha card will pop up again in Chihaya's Queen match..... You mean taichi is going through the same route as the meijin is? Being the best at something he doesn’t really like? If so, I cannot appreciate the justice of it. I would really like taichi to be happy in the end.
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Post by draco on Jun 24, 2018 2:39:17 GMT -8
chiakimagotoWasn't that means Arata won't become the Meijin? That would be unthinkable since his goal from the beginning of the series is to become Meijin. In chapter 136, Taichi told Tsuboguchi this regarding Arata, "He devotes his whole life to the sole goal of becoming the Meijin and enjoys it". This is affirmed yet again in chapter 193 (one of the latest chapters). So, I'm really sure he's going to become the Meijin in the end. If he were to end up with Chihaya, that means he would get both her and Meijin title in the end. For the second half of the manga, whenever we focus on Arata's (solo) chapters, most of the time, it would be about karuta rather than his relationship with Chihaya. If Suetsugu-sensei's planning to have them end up together, she would focus on relationship aspect rather than karuta (there's almost zero conflict in their relationship). Now regarding Taichi, I don't really think Taichi even want to become the Meijin. Taichi doesn't like karuta and if he's going to become the Meijin, he would be just following Suou's footsteps. Even Sudo said that the one who to defeat Suou need to be someone who loves karuta otherwise it would be no use. One of the things that Suou taught Taichi is that he shouldn't target Chiha card ever again but I doubt this is the right thing to do and he himself admit that he's not a good teacher (when it comes to karuta). Chiha card disappear from Chihaya's matches since Taichi left and she even associates Chiha card with Taichi during her match with Rion. Taichi should go against what Suou taught and start taking the Chiha card again (like he has always been) and that would be a good start to prevent him from following Suou's footstep. As a clarification, Taichi didn't really target the Chiha card during his match with Sudo when he took it, he's just becoming like Suou-- 'the card looks like it almost disappearing and he just took it' The relationship (be it romance or not) between Chihaya and Taichi also has the most focus even after the confession compared to her relationship with Arata. So, I'm optimistic that Taichi and Chihaya would end up together especially after the whole thing the have gone through together and by themselves. Just my opinion (don't mad at me...)
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Post by Jolly-Kyriem on Jun 24, 2018 2:55:46 GMT -8
I want Taichi to win just one game against Arata and for Arata to win this tournament because I wanted to see his match with Sou. Also I think even if Arata win this tournament... I think the fact that he felt like he cheated on Taichi will still bother him and Sou might even remind him of it.. I think that will be such a twist for Arata. I am just wondering how his reaction will be once he is on the same position as Taichi. Not sure if this might be of help but I saw this from a manga before...with a different interpretation of Spider Lilies... it says that Spider Lilies represents the good and evil in a single flower. I wonder if the show of spider lily has something to do with that? Especially because one panel includes Taichi and Chihaya with the spider lilies... we saw how Taichi is a good person but felt bad having those negative thoughts...which he ended up accepting that it's not so bad... Arata also went through the same thing when he admitted what he truly feel for Taichi.
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Post by chiakimagoto on Jun 24, 2018 3:38:15 GMT -8
Well, i'm not happy with the symbolism of the spiderlilie at all. This is why i'm really wondering why Suetsugu brought back this flower after it's well know appearance in Taichi's confession volume......why this again? This is what i have been asking myself, and the she also obviously shows us the poem 18 card. I have a hard time truely understanding what it means in this context. Without the context, it's about a lover waiting for his lady to appear in his dreams, waiting fruitlessly on the shore.....so what is she trying to say? I just can't imagine that Suetsugu san will let one of the boys triumph on all sides, and leave the other with "nothing". That seems just too harsh. Ofcourse i'm in the greedy league but is that realistic? So i think in the end, she will make a choice. Whatever happens it will be "bittersweet". Both boys love Chihaya and both want to win, that's clear! Since Taichi's heart is already broken.....she might just leave it that way. It's all about Chihaya now. She didn't definitely reject Arata, and he was so insistent on giving her time, and telling her he was coming to her. She was flustered ! Blushing, holding her heart.....i guess any girl would be flustered. Lately i did see some moments that i was wondering about Chihaya......she has had some ambigious reactions to Taichi, is it because he makes her heart beat faster, or more because she feels akward? I wonder if it is possible she had an illumination, when it comes to romance, and if she sees Taichi in a different light than just being the boy that was her best friend. I'm really not convinced. Since Suetsugu san has kept her feelings so secret, she still seems to be the same old childish Chihaya from before the confessions. Jolly chan, I did see that they call higanbana sometimes the flower of paradise or hell.....though about it being the heart of a man, this is the first time i've read this. PS: welcome to all the members that keep coming in!
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Post by randomanon on Jun 24, 2018 3:46:59 GMT -8
don't know if this still apply but this was from suetsugu's twitter regarding spider lily meaning. this tweet is about the cover for vol 26.
ちはやふる26巻帯の言葉は、曼珠沙華(彼岸花)の花言葉「情熱」「独立」「再会」「あきらめ」 「悲しい思い出」などの中の一つ「想うはあなた一人」からのものだと。デザイナーさんが今回も素敵に仕上げて下さいました。嬉しい。皆さんの元へ届け!
i guess suetsugu's intended meanings for spider lily are
1)「情熱」 2)「独立」 3)「再会」 4)「あきらめ」 5)「悲しい思い出」 and... 6)「想うはあなた一人」(?)
can anyone can translate these?
btw it seems that the no. 18 card in chapter 200 is not presented in negative way. it was supposed to encourage/support her no?
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Post by marisa on Jun 24, 2018 4:10:12 GMT -8
I am interesting to see match Arata vs Suo too, but I doubt that Arata has a chance against Suo. Arata capable player and he will not be tensed playing against Suo, but... Suo capable too. And Suo too has speed. And, that's more important, Suo knows how to play against player like Arata. Suo very thoughtful for details and he knows how to use opponents weaknesses against them. So, I think Arata vs Suo might be similar to Suo vs Takemura (last episode in 1st season) or Suo vs Murao, but maybe a bit longer. In the Taichi's case we have an opposite situation. Both Taichi and Suo are clever (Arata is clever too, but not in this sence) and thoughtful, they know each other very well. Both Taichi and Suo might use a lot of tricks, feints against opponent. It might be match with a lot of mindgames and interesting manipulative combinations. I think it is a way better than Arata-Suo.
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Post by virane on Jun 24, 2018 4:22:05 GMT -8
So many discussions going on I love it I’m on the greedy league as well But that would be really harsh indeed, I can’t imagine how heartbroken I would be if Taichi would be the one with nothing I still love taichihaya with all my heart but I also want meijin Taichi, at least want him to challange Suo! But even when Taichihaya has much more scenes and development it’s still pretty bittersweet compared to Chiarata which is all about sparkles, blushes and karuta karuta karuta! Just what is Chihaya thinking lol -_- She blushes to both of the boys now at least This reminds me what Hermione said to Ron, Chihaya really took her time to realize Taichi is a boy I think the reason of her blushings is she is more awere of him now: “He is not just my friend but also a boy who loves me..” She isn’t conscious of it of course I think it’s better for our ship since she at least sees him as more than a friend now The spiderlilies are really important, especially since Suetsugu used them on the cover of the infamous 26... I wonder what she meant with it. Thanks everyone for providing the meanings of it, and thanks to iatheia for the brief summary! I still think the Taichihaya-Meijin Arata is the more probable route but I’m not sure...
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Post by anonymous on Jun 24, 2018 4:49:12 GMT -8
Well, i'm not happy with the symbolism of the spiderlilie at all. This is why i'm really wondering why Suetsugu brought back this flower after it's well know appearance in Taichi's confession volume......why this again? This is what i have been asking myself, and the she also obviously shows us the poem 18 card. I have a hard time truely understanding what it means in this context. Without the context, it's about a lover waiting for his lady to appear in his dreams, waiting fruitlessly on the shore.....so what is she trying to say? I just can't imagine that Suetsugu san will let one of the boys triumph on all sides, and leave the other with "nothing". That seems just too harsh. Ofcourse i'm in the greedy league but is that realistic? So i think in the end, she will make a choice. Whatever happens it will be "bittersweet". Both boys love Chihaya and both want to win, that's clear! Since Taichi's heart is already broken.....she might just leave it that way. It's all about Chihaya now. She didn't definitely reject Arata, and he was so insistent on giving her time, and telling her he was coming to her. She was flustered ! Blushing, holding her heart.....i guess any girl would be flustered. Lately i did see some moments that i was wondering about Chihaya......she has had some ambigious reactions to Taichi, is it because he makes her heart beat faster, or more because she feels akward? I wonder if it is possible she had an illumination, when it comes to romance, and if she sees Taichi in a different light than just being the boy that was her best friend. I'm really not convinced. Since Suetsugu san has kept her feelings so secret, she still seems to be the same old childish Chihaya from before the confessions. Jolly chan, I did see that they call higanbana sometimes the flower of paradise or hell.....though about it being the heart of a man, this is the first time i've read this. PS: welcome to all the members that keep coming in! If I remember correctly Chihaya has also blushing at Harada-sensei and Tsuboguchi before since she sees them as strong karuta player and Taichi be like 'I don't understand Chihaya at all' or something. She even flustered when some random guy confesses to her at the station though in this case it probably because she's not used to romance stuff as noted by Tsuboguchi during the match against Homei. ---- About Taichi and Suo, I think they can still have a match together and it doesn't to be a match for the meijin title.
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Post by Amina on Jun 24, 2018 5:17:30 GMT -8
Regarding the thing that since Arata has dreamt of becoming Meijin he is the one that's gonna get the title, here are my thoughts which I expressed long time ago: unabashedgiverface.tumblr.com/post/158748155856/shysheeperz-random-thought-4-aka-this-is-goinga lot happened since then but nothing that would change my stance on this subject. The majority in the karuta world demonizes Suou because he "doesn't love" karuta and believe he doesn't deserve to be the Meijin - but he has all the right to be the one because he is the strongest, he has his own reasons for playing and he simply enjoys the game in his own way. He is different from the majority but it doesn't make him any less deserving. Mangaka herself clowns people like Sudo who hate Suou just because he's Meijin and "doesn't deserve this". So just because people like Sudo believe someone who doesn't love karuta doesn't deserve the title, says nothing to me. Taichi has his own reasons to play this game. It's been a battlefield for him where he's been building his own person since the very beginning. And his reasons are in no way less deserving than reasons of Sudo or Arata or anyone else. Plus Taichi already mentioned that he wants to play Suou for the title, he asked Nishida and Komano to be his card boys, and he did say that he wants to get closer to Suou and Shinobu who are on top. He does have these thoughts occasionally and maybe he himself doesn't realize yet how much he wants that, being used to see himself inferior to Arata. Just because Arata and Chihaya dream of being Meijin and Queen doesn't make them automatically the ones who get the title. If anything, mangaka has been writing Arata and Suou in a way that I would actually be rooting for Suou should they have a match... And as Shinobu is showing more development than Chihaya, I'm afraid same goes for their pair... I used to root for Chihaya and hope she will unlesh that Chihayaburu state but lately I don't know... ---- By the way, Arata is currently leading in the match, right? I counted the cards in the panels and seems like Taichi is losing by ~3 cards? Get it together, boy! Didn't find a nice panel to count Chihaya's cards
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Post by stilldoll on Jun 24, 2018 5:37:26 GMT -8
I want Taichi to win just one game against Arata and for Arata to win this tournament because I wanted to see his match with Sou. Also I think even if Arata win this tournament... I think the fact that he felt like he cheated on Taichi will still bother him and Sou might even remind him of it.. I think that will be such a twist for Arata. I am just wondering how his reaction will be once he is on the same position as Taichi. Not sure if this might be of help but I saw this from a manga before...with a different interpretation of Spider Lilies... it says that Spider Lilies represents the good and evil in a single flower. I wonder if the show of spider lily has something to do with that? Especially because one panel includes Taichi and Chihaya with the spider lilies... we saw how Taichi is a good person but felt bad having those negative thoughts...which he ended up accepting that it's not so bad... Arata also went through the same thing when he admitted what he truly feel for Taichi. Wow...good catch! Spider lily is also the flower of hell in Jigoku shoujo, these flowers always bloom near the place where hell girl lives. If we see it that way its kinda logical that it represents Taichi 's heart - very kind and pure on one hand and somehow ugly on tne other. Chiaki chan, thanks a lot for sharing the info about the flowers. It is interesting, but i have to disagree with you here. As i see it, Suetsugu san doesn't put flowers to predict some events but rather to give more coloful/ juisy feeling to the reader (lol. I hope somebody could understand that) So those sad flowers are added to show us the feelings of the characters in this case Chihaya's. She actually could really believe that her and Taichi are not meant to be or that she lost his friendship/love forever, it also could be interpreted the other way through the game point of view-Taichi surronded by spider lilies as a symbol of his future loss to Arata (again as Chihaya sees it) but he shows her that he STILL despite that fact struggling with all he has while Chihaya who is obviously stronger than her opponent losing at the moment. So those spider lilies could just add more drama to Taichi's fight with Arata. I could be wrong though...))) I actually doubt Suetsugu san could end up not giving Taichi a proper happyending, she builded his character with too much love and care to give Arata everything in the end. I came to dislike Arata in the last chapters, it is not that i ever liked him a lot, but sometimes i was ok with him, but now i want somebody to put him to his place, i mean the guy is way too arrogant. If Suo and not Taichi beats him- that is fine with me.
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Post by marisa on Jun 24, 2018 5:52:39 GMT -8
About Taichi and Suo, I think they can still have a match together and it doesn't to be a match for the meijin title. Yeah, they can play together. Chihaya and Taichi played together a lot of times, but match in the final of Yoshino Tourment was quite special. I guess match Taichi-Suo for title might be special like that final.
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Post by buburu on Jun 24, 2018 6:36:38 GMT -8
Regarding the thing that since Arata has dreamt of becoming Meijin he is the one that's gonna get the title, here are my thoughts which I expressed long time ago: unabashedgiverface.tumblr.com/post/158748155856/shysheeperz-random-thought-4-aka-this-is-goinga lot happened since then but nothing that would change my stance on this subject. The majority in the karuta world demonizes Suou because he "doesn't love" karuta and believe he doesn't deserve to be the Meijin - but he has all the right to be the one because he is the strongest, he has his own reasons for playing and he simply enjoys the game in his own way. He is different from the majority but it doesn't make him any less deserving. Mangaka herself clowns people like Sudo who hate Suou just because he's Meijin and "doesn't deserve this". So just because people like Sudo believe someone who doesn't love karuta doesn't deserve the title, says nothing to me. Taichi has his own reasons to play this game. It's been a battlefield for him where he's been building his own person since the very beginning. And his reasons are in no way less deserving than reasons of Sudo or Arata or anyone else. Plus Taichi already mentioned that he wants to play Suou for the title, he asked Nishida and Komano to be his card boys, and he did say that he wants to get closer to Suou and Shinobu who are on top. He does have these thoughts occasionally and maybe he himself doesn't realize yet how much he wants that, being used to see himself inferior to Arata. Just because Arata and Chihaya dream of being Meijin and Queen doesn't make them automatically the ones who get the title. If anything, mangaka has been writing Arata and Suou in a way that I would actually be rooting for Suou should they have a match... And as Shinobu is showing more development than Chihaya, I'm afraid same goes for their pair... I used to root for Chihaya and hope she will unlesh that Chihayaburu state but lately I don't know... ---- By the way, Arata is currently leading in the match, right? I counted the cards in the panels and seems like Taichi is losing by ~3 cards? Get it together, boy! Didn't find a nice panel to count Chihaya's cards umm sorry but sudo never thought that suou doesn't deserve the meijin title. he specifically said that 'unless it's someone who loves karuta defeat him(suo), he would stop playing karuta'. sudo doesn't want suo to stop playing karuta and you demonize him for it smh. sudo even said that he doesn't dislike him or his play style so i think it's okay to trust his judgement. it's not that suo vs arata don't get any build up. it's suo who told arata that his karuta does not excites him. arata (and chihaya) are the ones who told him not to quit after the match against harada and arata also vowed to defeat him in the same chapter. most of previous opponents in the story barely get any build up before the match too so it's nothing to be complain about. at this point im pretty sure you just want taichi to win and nothing else. sorry but taichi has no genuine desire to become meijin. becoming meijin is not even his dream. taichi has told arata what he want from suo too so arata only need to do it in taichi stead. being meijin is more important to arata than taichi. read ch.193. taichi don't need the title anyway. taichi is my favorite character but i think he has a lot of focus already so specifically for this meijin match, it would be better to use it to develop arata as a character since he barely got development. besides, taichi still has something else to do regarding his life.
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